What's in the Bipartisan Gun Safety Framework?

Way too little- way too late.

I will not hold my breath waiting for even this token legislstion to pass the National Republican Association.

if it passes it will be a step in the right direction, a very small step. Maybe it would be better to say it's a lean in the right direction.  

Bipartisan gun legislation agreement reached but still needs to be turned into written legislation. While not what everyone wants,  it's still an important 1st step to take. Parts of it like mental health are based on legislation already written but never passed though implemented in several states. Since politics is the art of the possible, this is what's currently possible. Includes:

1) funding states new red flag laws, and updates to the 19 states -- and Washington, DC -- that already have laws 

2) funding states to increase access to mental health and suicide prevention programs; and other support services available in the community, including crisis and trauma intervention and recovery 3) close boyfriend loophole - anyone in a serious dating relationship and convicted of domestic violence would no longer be eligible to own a gun. 

4) review process for people between ages 18 and 21 who go to buy a gun like an AR-15. 

5) require all firearm sellers to register as Federally Licensed Firearm dealers that are required to conduct background checks under federal law. 

6) institute safety measures in primary and secondary schools and training for school employees and students 

Excluded: 

1) expand background checks for gun sales and transfers by unlicensed and private sellers. 

2) federal ban on military-style assault weapons 

3) change to the age to purchase an assault-style weapon

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/gun-reform-deal-senators-announcement/

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/06/12/senators-strike-bipartisan-gun-safety-agreement-00039019

https://www.causes.com/comments/14874

From emptywheel.net:

"Perhaps the most effective part of the hearing, however, was a video shown near the end that talked about how Trump monetized the Big Lie. He raised $250M telling lies about voter fraud. 

From the Save America Pac Donations:

$1 million went to the Conservative Partnership Institute

$1 million to the America First Policy Institute (hmmmm. America First. Who keeps saying that here??)

$204,877 to the Trump Hotel Collection

$5 million to Event Strategies Inc.

Some of that money went to Mark Meadows’ “charity,” the Conservative Partnership Institute and even more went to Paul Manafort’s company, Event Strategies.

This is the kind of activity, fundraising making false claim, that got Steve Bannon charged with wire fraud and it’s the kind of scheme behind the investigation into Sidney Powell."

This is why the fascists are desperate to change the subject.

This bill is only about 10% of the legislation needed on this subject and insufficient to save childrens lives, but a step in the right direction and all the conservitive members can afford to support.  We need to eliminate all the most conservative roadblocks, including ALL of those representing my state, before we can get actions through congress that are actually good for the state and the country. 

Judd Legum, Poular Information:

"In a hearing Monday morning, the January 6 Committee laid out an extraordinary scene in the White House as the results came in on Election Night in 2020.

On the one hand, many of Trump's closest and most loyal advisers were telling him that there was no evidence of fraud and he should not declare victory. Jason Miller, a senior adviser to the Trump campaign, advised the president that he "should not go declaring victory until we had a better sense of the numbers." Bill Stepien, Trump's campaign manager, told Trump that it "far too early" to declare victory. Stepien called the cadre of Trump advisors urging caution, a group that allegedly included Jared Kushner, "Team Normal." 

Facing off against Team Normal on Election Night was a "definitely intoxicated" Rudy Guiliani. The former mayor of New York City regaled Trump with wild claims of election fraud and urged Trump, on the basis of these unsubstantiated claims, to declare victory that night. Trump listened to Giuliani, who went on to assume a central role in Trump's ill-fated effort to overturn the election results. 

“This is a fraud on the American public,” Trump said at 2 AM on November 4, 2020. “This is an embarrassment to our country. We were getting ready to win this election. Frankly, we did win this election.”

What's astounding is that 19 months later — after numerous lawsuits and audits failed to uncover any evidence of meaningful fraud — the leadership of the Republican Party is still on Giuliani's side. Top Republicans refuse to acknowledge that Trump and Giuliani's claims of fraud were baseless. "

Off Topic 

This guy is definitely guilty, and not quite the way I thought SCOTUS would 'show' itself around now, but ...

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/supreme-court/supreme-court-wont-hear-appeal-texas-death-row-inmate-rcna33284
From the story...

"In particular, the lawyer failed to put on evidence that Andrus was raised by a mother who engaged in prostitution, sold drugs, and beat him. In juvenile detention, he was forced to take large amounts of psychotropic drugs and was relegated to long stints in solitary confinement, she said."

Reps., Read the whole thing, please. 

Supreme Court won’t hear appeal of Texas death row inmate

Justice Sonia Sotomayor said in her dissent that the case “cries out for intervention,” writing tha...

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/supreme-court/supreme-court-wont-hear-appeal-texas-death-row-inmate-rcna33284

I will support this if it works. I am encouraged that there are some gun reforms in it that seem pretty common sense. I also support expanding funding for mental healthcare, only if the Republicans don't try to take it away if they regain power like they did the last time they got in power. 

I don't know that school safety is worth much here only because we have public schools across the country that can't afford school supplies and support staff, didn't upgrade their ventilation for COVID despite federal funding, and have to do whatever a political school board says, even if that means refusing to upgrade security. The whole governance and funding model of public schools is broken and needs a complete overhaul to make schools better, stronger, safer, and more equitable. We can throw money at schools for "safety", but I don't think that's going to fix much.

These proposals do not address the primary problem: guns. Ban assault weapons. Weapons of war should not be in the hands of non-active duty military. Outlaw possession and selling of assault weapons. Establish a buyback program to remove assault weapons from our population. Send the assault weapons to Ukraine. Remove tax-exempt status of the NRA. Ban contributions from the NRA and gun manufacturers to politicians. Designate the NRA as a domestic terrorist organization. Make the same requirements of owning/driving a car apply to owning/possessing a gun. Admit that guns and Republicans are the problem. Don't harden scools. Harden Republican spines.

"...Shall not be infringed." 
How many attacks have been made on police stations, shooting ranges, or gun stores? Shootings happen in neighborhoods, store, churches and schools. Many shooters would not be able to purchase guns now, if current law were enforced. Making more laws is not the answer. Enforcing laws is the answer. Consequences is the answer. It's against federal law to attempt to influence a Supreme Court Justice. It's against federal law for felons to own a gun. It's against federal law to illegally enter the United States. These are current laws not being enforced by the Justice Department. I'm certain there are many more federal laws, not being enforced. The current administration is repeating a Clinton administration tactic. They are spending tax dollars buying ammunition through the IRS and Railroad Retirement Board, as a means to keep ammunition off the shelves. 
Shootings are a societal problem developed over the past three decades by the shift in social norms, decadence, and soft policies. Our government representatives should be demanding enforcement of current law, not trying to justify themselves by making redundant duplicat laws. To many unelected "professionals " making rules that are not law. 

I, along with many others are devastated by gun violence, especially when it occurs involving innocents. But disarming law abiding citizens and rushing "frameworks" before actual common sense, logical, constitutional based countermeasures doesn't seem to be the most feasible and effective means of curbing and minimizing future events while ensuring law abiding citizens are able to protect themselves and enjoy their constitutional rights and freedoms without converting their status into criminals and felons with a stroke of a pen. 
The fact that these lawmakers are rushing to "do something" shows they are just cherry picking for votes in an election year rather than having a all sides involved discussion about the real causes of this type of violence such as racism, mental health, consistent gun safety practices and enforcement, and the fallacy of a gun free zone being a "safe" zone rather than a killing field. I urge everyone that cares about this to look at all sides and perspectives and not be emotionally charged and make rush decisions before the holiday break. This is important enough to discuss even after the break because it's ramifications and effect are so critical. I agree with a consistent background check/cooling period of what calfornia has, 10 days for all purchases. Forget the media fueled blanket description of an "assault weapon" because any weapon in the hands of a skilled or trained user is deadly. School zones should have a mile radius of no weapons of any kind, unless absolutely necessary such as in emergency situations. Forget arming teachers because they have enough to deal with in their regular job. Rather, equip all schools with bullet proof vest in schools that are locked up and accessible in an emergency similar to life vests in aircraft. Also train teachers and kids to use texts not cell phones for communication in emergency situations to prevent miscommunication and delays. There are more ideas that can be discussed and worked on but rushing legislation that isn't easy to repeal if ineffective is not a good solution.

Guns are out of control. 
it's way past time to set serious restrictions on semi automatic weapons. 
I and many of my fellow the American citizens, want this to happen. 
Close the loopholes on weapons sales.
Serious background checks need to be done. 
training should be required along with a psychological evaluation for any semi automatic weapon sale. 
I know it may take time to change many things but seriously our country is spinning out of control with violence. 

Really late on this subject, but everything is bigger in Texas ...

https://www.cbsnews.com/et-pictures/gun-ownership-rates-by-state/?ftag=ACQ0534a8f&fbclid=IwAR1aS-fnZHgWuzmYoI1EpHu55kAeM35jqDzaVqLmNT7hWRPtlBY6rFrGu1w

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Hear that Reps.!

This, too, can lead to violence as we seen on the capital. Therefore, ramped up more gun financence in our nation, widely and Congress should consider more what is clear and present danger.

Sing the investigation reports and one, I said it all along and 2021 before that the former President Trump is a clear and present danger to our world nation. By all means make no mistake. Make no mistake. All his supporters willing and able are still clear and present danger. More enemy of the states to our democracy, by all means, no matter what this is true, and we are going and seeing the end times by all means .   

This being said, our adversaries now have advantage, and are gladly seeking to see our democracy, erode, or be destroyed by former president, Trump and his supporters. By all means, this is what it’s come in the end times could look like. 

All this is a waste of time taxpayer money the main problem we need to go after the criminal Who shouldn't have a gun but attain one  by stealing by getting it thru black market. The criminal element do not care about any laws look at all the laws that are on the books now how's that for anything criminal from breaking the law no I guess on the states like New York, Chicago, Detroit, Washington DC, California crime has continued to grow guns involved my common criminals have escalated. In my opinion over 90% of Americans are educated just at 10% they consist of politicians who are not. 

Of course, we've seen this show before; conservatives suggest parts of a bill, or agree to changes to a bill, craft the bill---then vote "NO" on a bill they helped create. I'm not holding my breath...

Bipartisan Gun Safety Framework does not address the real problem which I wrote you both about. I received the same old BS answer I alway receive for you. I was born in Clare MI and I was a Naval Reserve you know the rest. 

This is a crock of sh*t!!!  Allows repugs to beat their chests and say they did "something".  It does NOTHING.  Until AR-15s are UNAVAILABLE, nothing is going to change.  It doesn't even FORCE states to enforce "red flag" issues. This is an empty, pitiful attempt to shut people up. Mental health is NOT the problem.  Money, the GOP and the NRA are the problems. They, in fact, are the mentally ill.

Jared Boyce The 31 year old member of the "patriot front" Is an AR semiautomatic rifle toting, bulletproof vest wearing white racist man that lives still  with his mommy. That just about says it all.

Got to be honest: I did not expect any deal to happen on gun reform, but I am pleasantly surprised to be wrong for once. At this point, anything is better than nothing, even if much more needs to be done. 

Please join the majority of Americans who believe in making reforms to access of firearms by supporting this bi-partisan framework as a sponsor of the legislation that results from it. 

feel good but no effective action

Something is better than nothing,however this is NOT ENOUGH!

How is it CONGRESS votes to protect the Supreme COURT AND FAMLIES { THEY CAN PAY FOR THEIR OWN}  but fails in truly  protecting the VAST number of of citizens who WANT and DESERVEjust as much???????????

Get something done on gun safety reform now!

Wow. This proposal must lack teeth or else my senator, Blunt, wouldn't be participating. 

I have a huge problem with the current iteration of red flag laws because they do away with due process and put the burden of proving innocence on the accused. The process for clearing any charges and accusations and getting property returned, if documented at all, is cumbersome and convoluted. I would only support red flag laws if they put in due consideration for due process and continue to support our country's tradition of innocent until proven guilty.

Just a few areas of concern - don't see it listed as red flag laws but read elsewhere that they are embedded- and that's an issue for me - I don't know how you control misinformation re who is reporting someone as a danger so guns can be confiscated- also one part mentions looking at juvenile records - those are sealed so not sure how that would work in many states - I'm not saying juvenile records shouldn't be accessible but means laws need to be changed - the term mental health can means LOTS of things - read the Violence Project - it is a sad place that we find ourselves in - a very big mess - unfortunately one of many messes

It's not enough. Grow a pair tand up to the NRA.

Send this to your Congressperson and Senators.

"My name is Dr. Roy Guerrero. I am a board certified pediatrician and I was present at Uvalde Memorial Hospital the day of the massacre on May 24th, 2022 at Robb Elementary School. I was called here today as a witness. But I showed up because I am a doctor. Because how many years ago I swore an oath — An oath to do no harm.
After witnessing first hand the carnage in my hometown of Uvalde, to stay silent would have betrayed that oath. Inaction is harm. Passivity is harm. Delay is harm. So here I am. Not to plead, not to beg or to convince you of anything. But to do my job. And hope that by doing so it inspires the members of this House to do theirs.
I have lived in Uvalde my whole life. In fact, I attended Robb Elementary School myself as a kid. As often is the case with us grown ups, we remember a lot of the good and not so much of the bad. So I don’t recall homework or spelling bees, I remember how much I loved going to school and what a joyful time it was.
Back then we were able to run between classrooms with ease to visit our friends. And I remember the way the cafeteria smelled lunchtime on Hamburger Thursdays.
It was right around lunchtime on a Tuesday that a gunman entered the school through the main door without restriction, massacred 19 students and two teachers and changed the way every student at Robb and their families will remember that school, forever.
I doubt they’ll remember the smell of the cafeteria or the laughter ringing in the hallways. Instead they’ll be haunted by the memory of screams and bloodshed, panic and chaos. Police shouting, parents wailing. I know I will never forget what I saw that day.
For me, that day started like any typical Tuesday at our Pediatric clinic - moms calling for coughs, boogers, sports physicals – right before the summer rush. School was out in two days then summer camps would guarantee some grazes and ankle sprains. Injuries that could be patched up and fixed with a Mickey Mouse sticker as a reward.
Then at 12:30 business as usual stopped and with it my heart. A colleague from a San Antonio trauma center texted me a message: 'Why are the pediatric surgeons and anesthesiologists on call for a mass shooting in Uvalde?'
I raced to the hospital to find parents outside yelling children’s names in desperation and sobbing as they begged for any news related to their child. Those mother’s cries I will never get out of my head.
As I entered the chaos of the ER, the first casualty I came across was Miah Cerrillo. She was sitting in the hallway. Her face was still, still clearly in shock, but her whole body was shaking from the adrenaline coursing through it. The white Lilo and Stitch shirt she wore was covered in blood and her shoulder was bleeding from a shrapnel injury.
Sweet Miah. I’ve known her my whole life. As a baby she survived major liver surgeries against all odds. And once again she’s here. As a survivor. Inspiring us with her story today and her bravery.
When I saw Miah sitting there, I remembered having seen her parents outside. So after quickly examining two other patients of mine in the hallway with minor injuries, I raced outside to let them know Miah was alive. I wasn’t ready for their next urgent and desperate question: 'Where's Elena?'
Elena, is Miah’s 8-year-old sister who was also at Robb at the time of the shooting. I had heard from some nurses that there were “two dead children” who had been moved to the surgical area of the hospital. As I made my way there, I prayed that I wouldn’t find her.
I didn’t find Elena, but what I did find was something no prayer will ever relieve.
Two children, whose bodies had been so pulverized by the bullets fired at them, decapitated, whose flesh had been so ripped apart, that the only clue as to their identities was the blood spattered cartoon clothes still clinging to them. Clinging for life and finding none.
I could only hope these two bodies were a tragic exception to the list of survivors. But as I waited there with my fellow Uvalde doctors, nurses, first responders and hospital staff for other casualties we hoped to save, they never arrived. All that remained was the bodies of 17 more children and the two teachers who cared for them, who dedicated their careers to nurturing and respecting the awesome potential of every single one. Just as we doctors do.
I’ll tell you why I became a pediatrician. Because I knew that children were the best patients. They accept the situation as it’s explained to them. You don’t have to coax them into changing their lifestyles in order to get better or plead them to modify their behavior as you do with adults.
No matter how hard you try to help an adult, their path to healing is always determined by how willing they are to take action. Adults are stubborn. We’re resistant to change even when the change will make things better for ourselves. But especially when we think we’re immune to the fallout.
Why else would there have been such little progress made in Congress to stop gun violence?
Innocent children all over the country today are dead because laws and policy allows people to buy weapons before they’re legally even old enough to buy a pack of beer. They are dead because restrictions have been allowed to lapse. They’re dead because there are no rules about where guns are kept. Because no one is paying attention to who is buying them.
The thing I can’t figure out is whether our politicians are failing us out of stubbornness, passivity or both.
I said before that as grown ups we have a convenient habit of remembering the good and forgetting the bad. Never more so than when it comes to our guns. Once the blood is rinsed away from the bodies of our loved ones, and scrubbed off the floors or the schools and supermarkets and churches, the carnage from each scene is erased from our collective conscience and we return once again to nostalgia.
To the rose tinted view of our second amendment as a perfect instrument of American life, no matter how many lives are lost.
I chose to be a pediatrician. I chose to take care of children. Keeping them safe from preventable diseases I can do. Keeping them safe from bacteria and brittle bones I can do. But making sure our children are safe from guns, that’s the job of our politicians and leaders.
In this case, you are the doctors and our country is the patient. We are lying on the operating table, riddled with bullets like the children of Robb Elementary and so many other schools. We are bleeding out and you are not there.
My oath as a doctor means that I signed up to save lives. I do my job. And I guess it turns out that I am here to plead. To beg. To please, please do yours."
- Dr. Roy Guerrero, Pediatrician, Uvalde, TX