Let CHUM and CHAMP live!

** CHUM AND CHAMP...DID NOT KILL..I REPEAT DID NOT KILL...the JR is alive and well! **

First off, I do NOT feel these dogs should be held responsible for the actions of ALL the humans involved, on both sides. They should not die because parties on both sides refuse to truly be honest about what happened. I have ofc signed the petition and taken all the action I can to save their lives, even though I feel they should be sent to a Newf breed rescue.

I am sorry if I got the facts wrong about the death of the Jack Russell, if you are right, it was reported to me erroneously, but he was attacked by "something". Does anyone of pictures of this JRT's original injuries and of him currently?

I have been passed a LOT of information about this and what is quietly being done behind the scenes which has not yet been made public, that I cannot divulge about this situation. Once it is made public I am confident it will go to show that it comes down to the onus is squarely on the irresponsible owners. That doesn't make them bad people, but it doesn't change anything despite the fact that the JRT did not die. Plus, why would this be, according to this petition and take action page, JUST about fence issues and training IF the attack on the JRT did not happen and if it did it had nothing do to with Chum and Champ, and it is merely a vendetta. Did they have proper fencing before this happened? Did they start obedience training soon as they bought these dogs, and if so what level did they achieve?

The injuries on the Jack Russell that were stated, according to you, Angela, were that the vet "said the injuries are more typical of an industrial accident, with lesions most commonly seen in horses". This I take great issue with, the JRT was not involved in an industrial accident and he is NOT a horse, so the injuries are not comparable. That they are being made out as such is beyond ludicrous.

Newfs have extremely soft mouths and may not have caused puncture wounds with their canines, but this does not at all mean that no altercation between the two Newfs and the JRT happened. In my extensive experience with my past of showing, breeding and training Newfs in obedience, water rescue and draft trials, to have evolved in my later years to rescue, I still involve training, socialization and exposure to many different situations and dogs in order to set them up for success when I find them their forever home. Even though I do feel Newfoundlands are an extremely safe dog and have only seen one bred by an irresponsible breeder show aggression towards humans.

I am really surprised that so many of you who seem to have all the answers will NOT answer the MOST important question, this is as to the fence issue, and how can any animal lover feel that a non secure fence and insufficient training for these two lovely dogs is in any way OK? This definitely was THE factor in them being seized. Is that not the #1 and #2 most important things in regards to their shelter and well being when they are living in a suburban area? If they had proper fencing and training them these allegations could NOT have even been made despite the supposed neighbors in the area who are being portrayed as "out for blood", vindictive and wanting these dogs dead. On that, I do not know, but I have not been privy to any statements of such, and I would appreciate anyone who can prove by providing any links to any stories done by the local Comox media on this case so I can form a rational and fair opinion.

Are we not responsible to provide a safe environment for our dogs, to not only keep them from danger from what is outside the fence, but to also keep other animals out of our yards to keep them from danger as well. Newfs are lovely, amazing, life saving dogs. That being said, they are not for everyone, and especially if not trained and with no proper fence. They are very strong dogs, and despite their wonderful natural disposition, if not trained well by 6 months of age, they can be quite a handful to control, despite their natural instincts.

So Angela, you feel that Chum and Champ's owners are not only blameless in all this, but are also the target of a conspiracy involving their neighbors, the authorities and vets as well as have been wrongly accused of this attack. Can you prove this showing statements from the neighbors to back this up? I am not saying it didn't happen, I just have seen zero proof, only accusations, opinions and second and third hand information.

I know Newfs well. I am not saying I know everything and more than anyon else, by any means, but I have over 20 years experience with the Newfoundland breed and have worked studyng them in all aspects of behavior, conformation, genetics and the health issues specific to the breed in their genes, as well as their instinctual drives, pedigrees, their dietary requirements ( I ONLY feed a raw diet to ALL the dogs I have rescued and rehomed ) as well as training Newfs for water rescue and draft trials - for those who do not know what draft trials are, it is training Newfs to pull carts, weight and be under full control of the handler, draft and water tr other things to showcase their amazing natural instincts being harnessed to earn titles.

They could have been attacked first by the JRT, NONE of us know what REALLY happened, except Chum, Champ and the JRT and they aren't "talking". The facts are that the fencing did not protect the JRT from the Newfs, and vice versa. How about a tiny bit of personal responsibility from the owners instead of pointing fingers everywhere but to themselves, and down playing this as a mere "fence and training" issue. The only living creatures that are truly blameless in this all are the actual dogs, but not the owners by any means. Also, if these neighbors are irrantionally against these dogs, why would the owners even want these dogs to be subject to this supposed lynch mob? Would it not be in the best interest of the dogs to find a much safer environment? They will NOT die like was suggested on this thread if they are rehomed, any one in rescue can attest at how well dogs can adjust given the chance.

So, if those who purport to have these all these "facts" about this vendetta can even answer about the fence and training rationally, I would appreciate it. If no one can, sadly that silence speaks volumes to me and many other newf lovers that have been following this issue for months now.

I am not close minded, but I feel since I have no allegiance to either side and advocate for those who cannot speak for themselves and can see these dogs are being scapegoated due to the documented mistakes in judgement made by the owners, I would appreciate as many proven facts as possible for anyone wanting to continue replying to my comments.

PLEASE PEOPLE...GET THE FACTS RIGHT!!..CHUM AND CHAMP...DID NOT..DID NOT KILL!!! THE JACK RUSSELL WAS ONLY INJURED...AND THERE WAS..NO...NO..PROOF THAT THE TWO NEWFIES HARMED IT!! CHUM AND CHAMP...DID NOT KILL..AND HAVE NEVER SHOWN AGRESSION!

Thank you so much for setting us straight on this Angela and Jayne. I didn't know where to look for the straight scoop!

I would not like to be on your bad side Billy Wolf !!

Billy Wolf....are you for real ??? Maybe you should grow up a bit....bloody idiot !!!

CONTACT INFO FOR..
Roderick J. Sutton ( a partner with Sutton Law Corporation, was appointed to the Provincial Court of BC in Prince George.)
Provincial Court Judge
Telephone: 250 334-1115
Fax: 250 334-1191

Prince George -Court Location
250 George Street
Prince George, BC
V2L 5S2
250-614-2700

JUDGE SUTTON..decides their fate on Dec 6th...CONTACT INFO FOR..
Roderick J. Sutton ( a partner with Sutton Law Corporation, was appointed to the Provincial Court of BC in Prince George.)
Provincial Court Judge
Telephone: 250 334-1115
Fax: 250 334-1191

Prince George -Court Location
250 George Street
Prince George, BC
V2L 5S2
250-614-2700

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I love ur comment!! Yeah kill the complaining humans and save the dogs

Yeah Adolph.......kill everyone !!!!

CONTACT INFO FOR..
Roderick J. Sutton ( a partner with Sutton Law Corporation, was appointed to the Provincial Court of BC in Prince George.)
Provincial Court Judge
Telephone: 250 334-1115
Fax: 250 334-1191

Prince George -Court Location
250 George Street
Prince George, BC
V2L 5S2
250-614-2700